{"id":16713,"date":"2019-09-22T11:40:21","date_gmt":"2019-09-22T18:40:21","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.drumeo.com\/beat\/?p=16713"},"modified":"2022-08-19T12:23:55","modified_gmt":"2022-08-19T19:23:55","slug":"broadway-drummers-warren-odze-king-kong","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.drumeo.com\/beat\/broadway-drummers-warren-odze-king-kong\/","title":{"rendered":"Warren Odze, King Kong"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>One of the best things about Broadway is that any idea can become a musical. King Kong fits this perfectly. It takes a whole team to operate the giant puppet, which is the perfect analogy to how many musical styles are used to make his (its?) show.<\/p>\n<p>Warren Odze is the drummer who plays a slew of genres and navigates all sorts of challenges to put out a consistent nightly product, lest he face the Wrath of Kong.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.musora.com\/musora-cdn\/image\/quality=85\/https:\/\/drumeoblog.s3.amazonaws.com\/beat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/11132638\/Photo-1-3.jpeg\" alt=\"\" title=\"\"><\/p>\n<h5><strong>You\u2019ve been doing this a long time. How have you adapted to the changing roles of the pit drummer?<\/strong><\/h5>\n<p>There&#8217;s not that much adapting for me because this stuff all reflects what&#8217;s going on out there in the world. It\u2019s slowly getting away from the old school conducting. More and more of these shows are on a click system, as more of it becomes pop music away from My Fair Lady kind of shows. And I&#8217;ve done a bunch of them. But the more modern shows seem to be click-driven, with more pop music, and more isolation-driven.<\/p>\n<h5><strong>King Kong is using an orchestra, a click, and tracks. Could you explain?<\/strong><\/h5>\n<p>So the tracks came first with the show when it was done originally. Grammy winner Marius de Vries (Score composer\/producer) did these tracks and they&#8217;re very ambitious.<\/p>\n<p>If it&#8217;s just a conductor with no click, we play together as a group with our frailties, and that makes for music, right? Then you add the next element, which is the click. It&#8217;s just a tempo guide. So even inside the *tick tick* there\u2019s feel. But now we have tracks, which have all the subdivisions. So the name of the game here is precision. So to me it&#8217;s almost like data input.<\/p>\n<p>There&#8217;s no wiggle room for about 95 percent of the show. It&#8217;s kind of like going back a million years to those records that John Robinson played on, like Stevie Winwood&#8217;s \u201cHigher Love\u201d and all that stuff. I mean, he was famous and still is famous for his precision.<\/p>\n<h5><strong>So how do you get \u201cfeel\u201d when playing with all of that precision?<\/strong><\/h5>\n<p>When you put the show together it&#8217;s really a fast process. A lot of the parts were kind of wacky and hard because they&#8217;re just transcriptions of the tracks, which are sort of unplayable because it was a guy on a keyboard &#8211; you know, like five voices at once. So I had to find a way to put a little more John Bonham in the mess.<\/p>\n<p>I spent a lot of time with the metronome making sure I could play the part and relax, and then going back to the (music) styles a little bit.<\/p>\n<div id=\"metaslider-id-16732\" style=\"width: 100%;\" class=\"ml-slider-3-60-1 metaslider metaslider-flex metaslider-16732 ml-slider ms-theme-default\" role=\"region\" aria-roledescription=\"Slideshow\" aria-label=\"Broadway3\">\n    <div id=\"metaslider_container_16732\">\n        <div id=\"metaslider_16732\" class=\"flexslider\">\n            <ul aria-live=\"polite\" class=\"slides\">\n                <li style=\"display: block; width: 100%;\" class=\"slide-17011 ms-image\" aria-roledescription=\"slide\" aria-label=\"slide-17011\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/drumeoblog.s3.amazonaws.com\/beat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/22113950\/Photo-5-800x530.png\" height=\"530\" width=\"800\" alt=\"\" class=\"slider-16732 slide-17011\" title=\"Photo-5\"><div class=\"caption-wrap\"><div class=\"caption\">Warren has a noisy neighbor, but Warren is also the noisy neighbor. They can\u2019t hear each other, though (except through the mix).<\/div><\/div><\/li>\n                <li style=\"display: none; width: 100%;\" class=\"slide-16733 ms-image\" aria-roledescription=\"slide\" aria-label=\"slide-16733\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/drumeoblog.s3.amazonaws.com\/beat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/11132855\/Photo-3-copy-1-800x530.jpg\" height=\"530\" width=\"800\" alt=\"\" class=\"slider-16732 slide-16733\" title=\"Photo-3-copy-1\"><div class=\"caption-wrap\"><div class=\"caption\">No drinks allowed in the drum room.<\/div><\/div><\/li>\n                <li style=\"display: none; width: 100%;\" class=\"slide-16769 ms-image\" aria-roledescription=\"slide\" aria-label=\"slide-16769\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/drumeoblog.s3.amazonaws.com\/beat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/11142415\/Photo-2-3-800x530.jpeg\" height=\"530\" width=\"800\" alt=\"\" class=\"slider-16732 slide-16769\" title=\"Photo-2-3\"><\/li>\n                <li style=\"display: none; width: 100%;\" class=\"slide-16737 ms-image\" aria-roledescription=\"slide\" aria-label=\"slide-16737\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/drumeoblog.s3.amazonaws.com\/beat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/11133741\/Photo-4-3-800x530.jpeg\" height=\"530\" width=\"800\" alt=\"\" class=\"slider-16732 slide-16737\" title=\"Photo-4-3\"><\/li>\n            <\/ul>\n        <\/div>\n        \n    <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<h5><strong>Eddie Perfect (music &amp; lyrics) is known for writing with a potpourri of music styles. Do you prefer that?<\/strong><\/h5>\n<p>I do like doing that! Some of it sounds like Game of Thrones. Some of it sounds like AC\/DC, or even a \u201cWe Will Rock You\u201d vibe. Some of it is this sort of big band swing, and there is a tiny bit of goofy old school Broadway vaudeville. It\u2019s fun here.<\/p>\n<p><em>Author&#8217;s Note: Composer Eddie Perfect also wrote the songs for the new <a href=\"https:\/\/www.drumeo.com\/beat\/broadway-drummers-beetlejuice-the-musical\/\">Beetlejuice musical<\/a>. That show uses double bass drumming for some of the metal sections!<\/em><\/p>\n<h5><strong>We are a stick&#8217;s throw away from the percussionists\u2019 setup (they\u2019re in neighboring rooms). How are you syncing up with Dave Roth?<\/strong><\/h5>\n<p>It&#8217;s like a recording studio; it does feel weird at first, but everybody&#8217;s so used to it at this point.<\/p>\n<p>One of the big things to be successful in a recording studio is \u201cact as if.\u201d If you\u2019re just used to playing with people in [the same room], there will be the sensation of \u201cwow, that sounds weird\u201d and you\u2019re second-guessing. It\u2019s a lot of acting like they\u2019re there.<\/p>\n<h5><strong>I guess asking for your &#8220;favorite song&#8221; is like asking your favorite genre. But anyway&#8230;what&#8217;s your favorite song?<\/strong><\/h5>\n<p>You know, there&#8217;s a couple of favorites. There&#8217;s this one that&#8217;s at the beginning with a boat and it&#8217;s got this Peter Gabriel-esque rolling on the toms thing and it creates a mood. I like stuff that is trance and in a mood.<\/p>\n<p>There is a scene at the end where Kong goes completely cuckoo. And we play that \u201cWe Will Rock You&#8221; type thing. And I love that kind of music. Simple.<\/p>\n<h5><strong>Challenges each night?<\/strong><\/h5>\n<p>A little saving grace here is that the track is always running. So you hear it in your subconscious. Once in a while, the monkey goes cuckoo and it happens in my least favorite piece, \u201cThe Cobra Fight\u201d with Kong fighting.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s a very complex piece of music that\u2019s constantly shifting meters and fields. The conductor&#8217;s constantly getting out of vamps into the next thing and it&#8217;s a little nerve wracking.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_15387\" style=\"width: 1034px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-15387\" src=\"https:\/\/www.musora.com\/musora-cdn\/image\/quality=85\/https:\/\/drumeoblog.s3.amazonaws.com\/beat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/11134242\/Photo-6-1.jpeg\" alt=\"\" title=\"\"><p id=\"caption-attachment-15387\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Yup. That is a Cobra fight. (Credit: Matthew Murphy)<\/p><\/div>\n<h5><strong>And how about when things go wrong for you?<\/strong><\/h5>\n<p>Well, when we first started, I came in early with this entrance. It was not a great thing, but if you didn&#8217;t know the show you would almost think I was supposed to. The lead character is screaming and I played this fill at the wrong time; it almost sounds like a Phil Collins moment.<\/p>\n<p>Of course [the band] never lets me live it down. They can&#8217;t. It\u2019s a great fill, but I played it wrong. I keep the sticks out of my hands during that part.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_15387\" style=\"width: 1034px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-15387\" src=\"https:\/\/www.musora.com\/musora-cdn\/image\/quality=85\/https:\/\/drumeoblog.s3.amazonaws.com\/beat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/11133423\/Photo-7-3.jpeg\" alt=\"\" title=\"\"><p id=\"caption-attachment-15387\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Small monitor for Conductor\/Keyboard (Michael Gacetta). Big monitor for Kong. Those lines behind him are the gigantic LCD screen on stage.<\/p><\/div>\n<h5><strong>Crack the track:<\/strong><\/h5>\n<p>Here\u2019s a music video for \u201cQueen of New York\u201d. It\u2019s a good exercise in approaching the kit from a pop perspective, and trying to replicate the percussion sounds as much as possible. Notice the lack of hi-hat or ride. Also great for improvising a drum part on top.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/p12q7SRRj4A\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture\" allowfullscreen=\"\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<h5><strong>Inspired by:<\/strong><\/h5>\n<p>Keith Carlock<br \/>\nElvin Jones<br \/>\nJack DeJohnette<\/p>\n<h5><strong>The artillery:<\/strong><\/h5>\n<p>Yamaha Stage Custom Drums<br \/>\nZildjian and Sabian Cymbals<br \/>\nAssorted Percussion<br \/>\nVic Firth Double Glaze Sticks (\u201cOne pair lasts me 2 months\u201d)<\/p>\n<p>King Kong is no longer running on Broadway. But after hanging backstage, some may say he&#8217;s just hibernating&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><em>Feature photo: Matthew Murphy<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Warren Odze is the drummer of King Kong on Broadway. Read this interview to see what it&#8217;s like behind the scenes of a musical and why he loves his job so much.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":131,"featured_media":16760,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"inline_featured_image":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[1998,4019,4039],"tags":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.drumeo.com\/beat\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/16713"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.drumeo.com\/beat\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.drumeo.com\/beat\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.drumeo.com\/beat\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/131"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.drumeo.com\/beat\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=16713"}],"version-history":[{"count":35,"href":"https:\/\/www.drumeo.com\/beat\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/16713\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":18988,"href":"https:\/\/www.drumeo.com\/beat\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/16713\/revisions\/18988"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.drumeo.com\/beat\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/16760"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.drumeo.com\/beat\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=16713"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.drumeo.com\/beat\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=16713"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.drumeo.com\/beat\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=16713"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}